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It can give your a little bit more space, but I don’t think it would be worth it.

@@mauropotiguar that’s how math work. For less money you get more than just the jack. And for offroad jacks you need a mount at minimum. So getting the jack and the mount for about the cost of just the pro Eagle is a huge savings. Pro Eagle with mount and cover that’s included your at $900 all in. For that same amount I can add every grove fab work accessory for the jack and have money left over. That’s a win and good value.

Thanks. Much appreciated.

What kind of range you think this would get offroad?

Huh. Did you watch the video?

Yeah, you still have options. Limit straps could help big time in the event of a failure. But you can easily get carried away with what else you’ll want like bump stops up front or shock bucket reinforcement. Sometimes it’s easier to stay close to stock. And that’s where Eclick and the top hats shine. Regardless, as long as you don’t overdrive the truck, you will be fine in the meantime. It’s easy to get carried away with these trucks because they are so capable and fun. Just remember, it’s still a stock truck.

Totally agree. Specially not the hummer EV weight. I want a fun engaging experience and I think a raptor suspension would be so fun with an EV power train.

There is a lot to cover 🤷‍♂️. Deep dive like this is not for everyone. But I really enjoy geeking out on these builds

⁠@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadI personally enjoy your longer videos, keep them coming

Thanks man.

They were just running a much shorter spring here. Looks really odd.

I think the term is planned obsolescence. Planned failures well after the warranty expires that are usually most expensive than the projected value of the vehicle. All manufacturers do it

Thanks, Hopefully they offer the parts as kits here soon and we can pick whatever 1/2 ton truck we want from GM to use as our base.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad totally agree, feels like it's own version of those Dirt King trucks but obviously with the power upgrades and such

I agree, except with the economy of scale of GM they could make that price, when it's a bunch of collab'ed companies and such and there's straight labor costs and development costs are all tied into this 210k price

Yep, but I don’t think it will be available till next year. Baja kits is part of Fox now and they are not going to do anything to reduce their sale of the first 500 trucks.

1:06:47 This is just bump steer, they need to fix the pivot locations of the tie rods and it will be fixed, especially because it is toeing in and out while cycling through the travel. Bump steer is also most apparent at the extreme ends of the suspension travel so as it was fully extended in the clip you played, the tie rods were sucking inwards.

Its an LT too haha, LS has been gone for many years outside of crate engines. Its an LT1/L86 Truck Motor

I personally think it closer to being on par but I agree with you that I wished ford offered a more complete truck with camber caster locks, hydraulic bumps and billet arms. Some day maybe they will.

I think it’s more than just bump steer though. Driver side has a tone more movement than the passenger side. And none of it is seen or felt in the steering wheel. And what ever the engine code is. LT 6.2 was badass here and the best feature of this truck either the whipple. I have not really gotten back into Chevy since the 90s. This truck is having me look again.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I love my ford 6.2 but owning a Yukon Denali with the L86 6.2 and now a Camaro with the LT 6.2, they just feel like the power was always available instead of only above 3k RPM like the boss motor. But still, gotta give credit to Ford because it didnt require them to outsource to Fox and Brenthel to build a Baja ready truck, they just did it in house and learned from their mistakes which is so killer. Thanks for the review of the truck I have been waiting to see it from a different POV than the media lol

Truck was in 2wd for all the testing. And you could feel the wobble by the seat and not the steering wheel so as other have pointed it out, it’s most likely bump steer. As for the spring, you are right and someone else already pointed that out. They are using a shorter spring here. But a lot of what we felt was while we were in 2wd. It would be far worse in 4wd

The only way a Tacoma would be better than this is if it’s LS swapped period. There isn’t a scenario where that V6 is making anywhere near 700hp. And yes, you could fully link and LS swap a Tacoma for less.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad ls3 with a Magnum or Whipple and sas or 5.0 from HRD

Ford uses a combination of rubber bushings on the door latch and extra reinforcement from the factory. The rear cab is a tough spot to reinforce because that’s where the drive shaft is at. So I’m sure that’s a factor why they don’t have any extra bracing here

It’s actually only half inch more travel than a stock Gen3 Raptor both front and back. Very minimal extra. But I agree, there is a lot of drawbacks here that make the price of the truck crazy. At a lower price point most of them could be forgiven. And yeah man, a video this long is only for those that geek out on trucks like us. Most will maybe watch 10-15min of the whole video and that’s it. It’s the world we live in with shorter attention spans. My hope is to get the guys that want the deep dive and want that extra detail to keep tuning in.

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I'm here to get deep! Lol, I did have to pause it after about 5 mins. My wife and I watched House of Dragon, and then I got back to the goods. I'm also not a fan of the front extra lights. For the price, I would have wanted to see something better. If it was under the price of a Raptor R, there might be less nitpicking, but for that price, it's probably going to be for a very specific fan. I'm starting to see why they only made 500. Thanks for the video, man! I really was hoping for something better, but they can't all be Raptors. I mean winners. Lol 🤙🏼🤙🏼

@SHAKA.RAPTOR 🤣 they definitely can’t all be raptors. But these guys got close. It this was priced at or below Raptor R money, I would want one too. But I think on the DIY side and buying the kits will be much cheaper.

You guys have experience with the GM electronic rack? Because that’s the trucks biggest issue right now

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the 2500/3500’s historically have these issues and can be solved with HD joints and longer thread engagement.

Interesting. Definitely needs some help for sure. The way the tires were moving differently from each other was kinda shocking. Driving it was a little confusing. Once we saw the footage it all made sense.

Thanks 🙏

Oh That’s right. All the new GM V8 engines are LT. I’m not a big GM guy on the new stuff and totally missed that.

That was a great correction. What were your thoughts on the amazing Chevy steering off-road? I personally loved the Chevy power and coming for a 1969 Chevy Chevelle, I love the Frankenstein builds. 🤙🏼🤙🏼

Very true. Those that can afford these will hold them as trophies, and very, very few will actually see dirt. I’ll wait till they start to sell these parts in the aftermarket so I can build my own.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadwe need to get those upgraded dual valve shocks on the 24 raptors !

Yes we do!! Would be interesting to see if there is a way to also integrate the position sensor for the raptor

Ok. Random comment with no context. Please explain.

I'm referring to the front tires towing in and out over the bumps. Its just a bad suspension geometry in conjunction with the wrong offset of the wheels. It's probably limited by the oem design of the suspension. Not the end of the world, just annoying.

Ah ok. Thanks for clarifying. And I agree. Look a little closer at the slow video though. Passenger tire is moving one way, driver tire is moving another way, and a lot more, and the steering wheel is not showing any of it. Aside from some bad geometry there is a bad rack or ball joint, or hub too on that passenger side. All pointing to bump steer putting additional wear on components.

Pretty cool truck. But not like an HM Elite. But $$$

Probably for way less too.

Thanks for the breakdown. And now that spring setting makes sense. Almost looks like they used a shock body designed for a much longer spring or for dual rate springs and added threads to handle the shorter spring. They did have it on the table and visible from the presentation video. It did not look like a long spring. And they had destroyed their original spring already. They also mentioned the no slide and scratching up the shocks. From what we saw, the truck performed well. It needs a little more tweaking but it’s basically there and perming better than a TRX right now.

That could be a factor I’m sure. But we’ve seen TRXs and raptors with live valves / active valves run much more level and flatter with the sway bar connected. This could be too that extra frame flex that the team was talking about contributing as well.

Thanks man. Would love to take you up on it to experience how the truck performance

Dude, you're Bossy as hell! If I had the R, I would have made the offer as well for the same reason. Can't wait to see that video! 🤙🏼🤙🏼

Yeah man. Would be cool to see how these shocks can level up performance of the raptor. And yeah, there was a few cost cutting choices made that are perplexing due to the MSRP for the first limited run.

Glad we could help man

It does right. So wanted to take him home.

Once they hit the dealers, I’ll be looking for someone willing to compare. Very interested to see what it can do.

Just finished editing it. Much longer video since we had a lot to cover and it took me a while to edit it so it’s not a boring ass video of 2 talking heads. Will drop this Sunday

I agree with you to an extent. The truck does do a good job of keeping the truck stable. BUT the weak link in the shocks is not their diameter. It’s the diameter or the lines. They restrict flow way too much and for a heavy truck they quickly get overwhelmed. King does make a set of 3.0s for the TRX. But they are pricey due to the limited TRX market. Hopping the RHO being produced in bigger numbers will help grow the market for them.

Glad we could help.

Same issues as all the others man. Advice we give in the video still applies. I would say you’re more likely to have issues as the dual live valves have the potential to be more capable.

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad should I just do the sdi top hats then ? Or just completely stock?

Depends on how you plan to use the truck. You looking at upgrades to just level the front or you looking to improve offroad performance

I wonder if HF makes one?

Nice!! Make sure you check out all the mounts and accessories from grove. He makes some great products

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad thank you

Yeah, she’s awesome.

I haven’t. But not for lack of trying. I could do it on the front shocks. But not my rears. I’m running a full mid travel build and my rear shocks are race series 4.0s. The current valves being used do not support the amount of oil that flows through those shocks. SDI tried it and the preassure alone would open the valve. Need to wait till Fox releases larger valves from their race testing. But those are still a few years out. Only sponsored race teams can get those.

Thanks for the quick reply. I have a stock gen 1 and interested in trying this kit. Was thinking about fox 3.0 or even icons but this Sdi kit has me very interested . Being that this works with live shocks and gen 1s don’t come with them, does SDI sell them for the gen 1s and install?

No they don’t. In order to run live valves on your truck, you will need to upgrade the front shock bucket and source take off shocks from a gen2 OR surcharge the live valve Fox FRS shocks.

Would you recommend eibach springs with mid perch ?

It really does not matter. The motor does not have an open and closed position. The motor just spins until it detects resistance in each direction and then stops. That’s why the plastic bit breaks. Motors is always torquing on it. Found this out by taking out the motor to see it spin for each position. When the bit breaks. The motors just sits there spinning over and over again until it detects a stop. Confirmed it with a few videos as well. Dumb design if you ask me.

Yeah it is. Figured this was good enough and cheaper than the creepers they sell that do the same for $100

Yeah Doug was a good dude. Not anymore man. He’s developed a pretty bad reputation of of late. Heard he’s no longer doing suspension kits anymore too

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad oh no way?! That sucks I wonder what happened?! He was going to do a cantilever in my truck before I got my RST18 recently

No. You can drive yourself insane trying to avoid pin striping and damage to the paint. PPF can reduce pin striping for example, but is not thick enough to deal with what the rear tires fling out . I regular gear large bell noises as a rock hits the steps. Areas like the front of the rear fenders gets so damaged that even rhino lining gets worn away there. So my mind set is, this is an off-road truck. Pin stripes and paint damage don’t matter to me so I don’t bother me. It’s just another story to tell about a good trail ride or a fun day on the trails

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad appreciate the reply! Love the content

I think you can pick whatever base truck you want. As long as it’s a 1500. Can you get the Duramax? In the 1500?

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yeah you can get the LZ0 3.0L Duramax in 1500 GM trucks. I have the older LM2 on my 21 AT4, and it's an amazing engine offroad with an amazing range per tank and a ton of torque. Don't plan on going back to a V8 gasser as long as this is an option.

Really? Going to have to try it out. Diesel engines aren’t known for their pep. How’s the power band? Do you really need to get on it to get it going? Or is it peppy like the 6.2?

@KeepItDirtyOffRoad you should really check one out. It doesn't rev as high as the 6.2 so it feels different. It can do the same at lower RPM and the 10 speed does magic with that engine. The turbo diesel has a lil bit more get up and go than the 6.2 at lower RPM but the 6.2 feels more responsive at higher RPM. Now with tuning and even larger turbo, there is no question that the little Duramax blows the 6.2L out of the water. I do some of the high speed dirt roads here and my truck cruises so effortlessly compared to a gas engine at the same speed where it feels like it's screaming all the time. It is a very different driving experience.

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Yes. The location of the mounting holes on the frame is different since the gen1 kit is wider. But that’s it. Everything else is done the same way

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad thanks for responding, your icon leaf spring video helped me a lot as well, thanks again!